I agree that vick should be punished but let's not put him and PacMan Jones on near the same level.
I am still waiting on vthokie22 to respond to this one, he must be on vacation or is tired of defending Mr. Vick. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]
I wouldn't put him in the class of Pac-Man Jones just yet, about 3 or 4 more acquisations and he will be.
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and a couple of people dead or shot
Who did Pac-Man kill? No one.
I didn't say he did, but i'm sure his posse has been involved, we were joking about PacMan, i don't even care about the guy, i aint gonna fight about this.
Whos fighting about it? Damn...no wonder this forum has went down the (Edit).
It was just a warning, but can you believe all the crap pro athletes get away with, since when did having athletic talent make you exempt from the law. Not just football either, remember when allen iverson got away with the whole incident with his wife?
Former Falcons player Ray Buchanan denied comments attributed to him during a radio talk show about having direct knowledge of Falcons quarterback Michael Vick being involved in illegal dogfighting.
"I don't know anything about Mike being involved in dogfighting, and that's for real, coming from the Mouth of the South," Buchanan told the Journal-Constitution Monday. "For me to say something like that is wrong because I'd never throw another player under the bus. I don't know and I didn't say anything about Mike Vick, who I know, who I live by, having anything to do with dogfighting.
Ex-Falcon Ray Buchanan is accusing a Tampa radio talk show host of ratcheting up rumors of possible dog-fighting activity involving Michael Vick.
"All I know is what everybody else knows, and that's the stuff I see on the news or read about."
Vick is under investigation for animal cruelty and dogfighting in Surry County, Va. Nearly 70 dogs, mainly pit bulls, were discovered at a property Vick sold last week, after police initially went to the property as part of a drug investigation.
During a radio broadcast aired in Tampa on Friday, Fox Sports analyst Chris Landry said Buchanan told him Vick was deeply involved in dogfighting and that Vick funded it. Landry also said Buchanan, who works for Fox Sports Radio, told him Vick openly spoke to players about his involvement.
Buchanan said that he did speak with Landry about Vick's situation, but it was in an office of another Fox Sports employee last month at the NFL draft. Buchanan described it as a casual conversation where nothing was recorded, to his knowledge.
Landry did not back down from his comments Monday.
"I went on a radio station there and said what I had to say," Landry said. "I'm not looking to make news with this thing."
When told about Buchanan's denial, Landry was stunned.
"I'm going to stand by comments that I made on the show," Landry said. "That's all I'm going to say about it."
The radio host, Steve Duerring, said Monday that Landry "was pretty convincing."
Buchanan, a teammate of Vick from 2001-03, was steadfast in his assertion that Landry spoke out of line and was using him to legitimize rumors and innuendo that have circulated about the dogfighting investigation.
"That stuff he said I said is stuff he was saying to me, that 'He heard this and he heard that,'" Buchanan said. "I told him that I didn't have common knowledge about that. I told him that I knew that Mike loves dogs. Everybody knows that Mike loves his dogs. But I never heard anything about Mike and dogfighting.
"I did make a joke about Mike making $130 million and why would he need to be involved in dogfighting making that kind of money. Maybe he took something out of that to try and legitimize some of the things he came at me with. I guess he was trying to get something out of me."
Buchanan said he and Landry have a good relationship and that he did not know about Landry's comments until Monday morning when they appeared in the Journal-Constitution.
"Chris might want to retract some of the things he said," Buchanan said.
What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.
Michael Vick has said that he was rarely at the Virginia house he owned where officials have found evidence of dog fighting and that he never took part in the practice. Investigators don't agree.
Kathy Strouse, the animal control coordinator for the City of Chesapeake in Virginia which is investigating the case at the Smithfield home, told Yahoo.com on Tuesday she has spoken with individuals who can "put Vick on that property" during matches.
Saying she is "very confident" that Vick will be tied directly to the dog fighting on the property, Strouse has challenged Surry County Commonwealth attorney Gerald Poindexter to bring charges.
"He [Poindexter] was at the home and saw the equipment that we seized," Strouse said. "When we were there, he said he had enough right there to issue an indictment. He didn't say who he would indict, but he said he had enough.
"Now, with what he has said, it makes you think, 'What in the world is going on in Surry County?' This certainly doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy about the Surry County attorney."
Strouse indicated that the individuals who place the Falcons quarterback at the scene have been reluctant to testify. In Virginia, dogfighting is a felony and punishable by up to five years in prison.
According to a report Wednesday on the Atlanta Journal Constitution's Web site, Poindexter will meet with Sheriff Harold Brown and investigators Monday to review evidence in the case.
A grand jury in Surry County is expected to convene Tuesday, but Poindexter told the newspaper it was unlikely a review of the evidence would be completed in time to submit it to the grand jury by Tuesday.
Poindexter has declined to reveal the status of the investigation or whether charges are likely.
"I don't try cases in the press," Poindexter told WVEC-TV, the ABC affiliate in Norfolk, Va. "Lawyers who do that are despicable.
"I'm not going to be a party to a witch hunt," Poindexter said, according to the Journal Constitution. "This [process] will not be driven by people who hate Michael Vick, love Michael Vick or people who love animals."
Police conducting a drug investigation at the end of April raided the Vick-owned house and reported finding dozens of dogs, some injured and emaciated. Investigators also discovered items associated with dog fighting, including veterinary supplies, blood-soaked carpeting, treadmills used for training and tools used to pry apart a dog's jaws.
When the story broke, Vick told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, "I'm never at the house. I left the house with my family members and my cousin. They just haven't been doing the right thing."
Since that time, a Web site was discovered that showed Vick's name was being used to promote dog breeding that specialized in rare pit bull terriers and "the highly intelligent and powerful Presa Canario."
Vick has reportedly entered a contract to sell the house, but reports regarding his involvement in the operation keep surfacing.
Sports Illustrated reported on its Web site on Thursday that two friends of Vick said the QB knew about the dog fighting operation at the home. WAVY-TV in Norfolk reported that clerks at a store near the property said Vick bought items such as syringes typically used in dog fighting.
The Humane Society has told the NFL that past and present players say that the league has a serious problem with animal abuse.
Vick has now been advised by his attorney to stop talking publicly about the case.
"It is still under investigation, and once it is over, we will talk about it. As of right now, I cannot talk about the situation," Vick said.
Surry County, meanwhile, is being taxed by the investigation. WVEC reported on Tuesday that boarding the animals confiscated from Vick's property is costing the county $25,000.
Saw a similar article on Yahoo this morning that claimed there were videotapes showing Vick at matches. However, the authorities have yet to secure those tapes.
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